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34 Responses to “Second NCAA regional rankings”

1. Skinny16 Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm

   What’s up with the NCAA rankings? There are multiple mistakes in the game counts that I can see in the Midwest region for games that were played before May 1.

   St. Olaf is 26-5, Oshkosh is 26-8 overall but I’m fairly certain all those games are not in region as the ranking suggests and St. Scholastica is 30-6 overall and the ranking is missing 6 of their games. Will this be corrected or is this just an oversite by the NCAA?

2. admin Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 4:31 pm

   Wouldn’t be the first error in regional rankings. We catch several of them each season in basketball because we have the database to back it up. We don’t have that at our disposal in baseball, however.

   As I understand it, the mechanics of this is that the schools report scores to the NCAA, including designating whether a game is in-region or not. However, we know for a fact that schools make mistakes regarding the regional status of games because they do not bother to learn the rules. I am sure that this happens even more often in baseball because of the size of the schedule.

3. baseballcrazy Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 pm

   now that ramapo is a 5 seed in mid atlantic is there still a shot for a pool c bid? are you guys gonna make another bracket prediction

4. B2islegit Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 10:15 pm

   First off, I need to say that Trinity getting the #6 seed in New England is a joke. As everyone knows, they didn’t even qualify for the NESCAC tournament. Their schedule was a joke and they only played 32 games. I realize that the conferance has its top dogs, but the bottom half (Bates, Colby, Hamilton, and Weslyan) are auto-wins. Clearly Trinity just boosted their win percentage by scheduling easy wins and making them seem more legit than they actually are. They have done poorly agaist every good team they have played.

   Next, Ralph, I calculated the QOWI of Babson and Trinity last night based on the formula on the NCAA handbook. I took the total in region points and divided by the total number of games. I’m not following what you said abou dividing the loss points by 8. Also, as a side note, Babson just beat Southern Maine today, adding that win to their load of quality victories. Please get back to me with your thoughts.

5. don mattingly Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 pm

   I just went through and calculated the QOWI for Trinity and Babson. I did it very quickly, forgive me if it isn’t perfect, here is what i got….

   Trinity 9.36
   Babson 8.8

   Each have two games left. Babson two at Tufts and Trinity two at home vs Weslyan. I went through all the possibilities and for Babson to catch Trinity their “magic number” is 3. So in these four games they need to sweep Tufts AND have Trinity lose one vs Weslyan or Babson needs to split and hope Trinity gets swept.

6. Ralph Turner Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 pm

   Don, thanks! I think that you are pretty close on Trinity.

   I think that Trinity’s and Babson’s nemeses will come from outside the New England Region. I don’t think that the switch to 6 Pool B’s will hurt. I think that the upsets in the conference tourneys will have more impact!

   I will move the Rankings to the Pool C board and look at them there.

7. baseballcrazy Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 pm

   ralph what about ramapos shot moving down to a 5 seed in region do they still have a shot at a pool c bid?

8. Ralph Turner Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pm

   baseballcrazy, I wish I had the NCAA’s data.

   What will happen to JHU if they lose? What about Alvernia and Arcadia?

   It is still early with too much baseball to play.

9. baseballcrazy Says:
   May 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pm

   yea i figure the teams in front gotta win their tourneys

10. B2islegit Says:
    May 4th, 2007 at 9:19 am

    Donny baseball, I think when you calculated Trinity and Babson’s QOWI you used out of region games too, if you calculate in region games, Babson’s QOWI is much higher than Trinity’s. Am I correct that it’s just total in-region points divided by games played? I am pretty sure that is what it said in the NCAA handbook. Any thoughts?

11. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 4th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    yes just in region record

12. don mattingly Says:
    May 4th, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    I only used in region games for Babson and Trinity.

13. longball06 Says:
    May 4th, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    Why Wheaton behind ECS after a season sweep and Keene St.? Southern Maine sweep, and WNEC to be played tommorow?

    How do you figure?

14. dthree Says:
    May 4th, 2007 at 11:57 pm

    Can someone who knows how calculate the QOWI for the NJAC teams?

15. admin Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Wheaton has a significantly lower regional winning percentage — 70 points lower. That’s surely part of it.

16. LyonBall Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 1:35 am

    The quality wins index is a joke!! Wheaton is 30-10 … they were 5-4 in Arizona which included one in region win. THey swept EConn, beat Keene State, Southern Maine twice, Babson three times … not to mention out of region wins over Johns Hopkins and two over College of New Jersey.

    Fact is, when the committee looks at all of the facts, the Quality Wins index is not the only thing they will look at. Your top three in the region at this point should be Wheaton, EConn and WNEC. That could change tomorrow with the Lyons and the G-Bears facing off.

17. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 3:35 am

    dthree the Qowi for the njac should be kean is at 11, ramapo is around a 9.65

18. admin Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 8:50 am

    “Fact is, when the committee looks at all of the facts, the Quality Wins index is not the only thing they will look at.”

    True, but they look at the same “all of the facts” when they create the regional rankings.

    Also, Johns Hopkins and TCNJ are regional games for Wheaton.

19. Rbgosfan Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    I agree wit the top 3 in New England being ECSU, Wheaton and WNEC. The current rankings did not have Wheaton’s second win over East Conn included, nor did they include WNEC’s loss to Williams. The doubleheader today at Wheaton with WNEC will be crucial to the tourament seedings.

20. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 10:32 am

    u have 7 teams above .500 in the njac, not sure if there are any other conferences out there like that, plus with a region winning percentage of so high

21. dthree Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    the NJAC is certainly a tough conference…Ramapo had a good start, but a not so good finish, but they still have a good record. TCNJ and Kean are both automatic selections for the regionals. Montclair has had and unexpectedly bad season, but is still 21-16, facing TCNJ today in the playoffs after beating ramapo bad a second time. If montclair makes the conference final, can we see three bids from the NJAC? Kean, TCNJ, Montclair? or do Ramapo and Montclair need to win the NJAC to have a shot?

22. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    ramapo with their bad finish still has a Qowi at 9.5 compared to many others, and that is a strong number

23. B2islegit Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Bottom line, if Babson takes two vs Tufts tomorrow, they will be getting hosed if they are not placed in the regional tournament.

24. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    after tonights surprises, i have in the mid atlantic, ,
    1. kean
    2. tcnj
    3. hopkins
    4. ramapo 9.514
    5. arcadia 9.424
    6. alvernia 9.256
    hopefully kean or tcnj wins njac and hopkins can win 2 tommorrow leaving hope for ramapo

25. dthree Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pm

    ramapo plays cupcake teams outside of the njac…the top of the njac walked all over them without a problem…kean threw their number 3 to save their number 2 in the conference tourny, says a lot about ramapo. montclair has one of the toughest schedules out there, hands down. They have played two teams in the top 1-3 from almost every region.

26. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    didnt know you were a ramapo baseball hater, if you have a team to cheer for lets hear it if not keep your thoughts to yourself, going from 3-15 in conference from last year you gotta give ramapo some credit , not saying msu doesnt have a bad schedule, ramapo beat msu this year as well, going from 18-21 to 29-13 is a big jump

27. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 5th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    its tough when you can get any athlete into kean with no gpa . all they need is a heart beat

28. Ralph Turner Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Pool C fans! Who do you root for to keep your team on the bubble?

    Centennial: Mid-Atlantic ranked JHU to beat unranked Ursinus.
    PnAC: Undefeated Wesley plays Gwynedd-Mercy, in Game #6 of four-team tourney; both unranked in Mid-Atlantic. Which winner is ugliest or does the most damage to Alvernia and/or Arcadia to knock them out completely?
    ASC: Both TLU and UT-Dallas won on Day #1. Best Pool C outcome is for one to get an “A” the other a “C”. Both are ranked in the West.
    NJAC: #1 Kean and #2 TCNJ. Give them a Pool “A” and a “C”. (Montclair and Rowan are already in loser’s bracket.)
    CCIW: IWU; Augie is also ranked but Carthage is a real spoiler in the tourney, next weekend. Sorry Big Poppa, but almost the rest of D-3 is saying “boo Carthage” (as an echo to “Boo McMurry” in the ASC.) Concede IWU and Augie an “A” & a “C”.
    IIAC: Luther and Wartburg are co-champs and play 6-team playoff next week. Probably a “Pool A and C” or “C and an A”. Beware others as spoilers.
    SUNYAC: Cortland State. NY Region #4 Brockport went one and two. NY Region #1 Cortland can sweep the SUNYAC tourney in Game #6 over NY Region #5 Oneonta on Sunday.

    You have conceded 4 Pool C in hopes of keeping the other 10. Good luck.

29. dthree Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 1:44 am

    ramapo beat them 6-5 in a game where msu played their b-squad, 2 starters started the game…not hating so much on ramapo, just saying that i don’t think they are a team that is good enough to even make head way in a regional tournament, i am from new jersey and have watched the njac all year..

30. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 9:55 am

    maybe they arent good enough to compete with top of njac but they do eat up on teams outside the conference. njac has great quality of play

31. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 10:01 am

    rowan who didnt impressed much this year , went into a bracket last year down south and did some damage, just like to see njac teams as a whole make the tourney, good to see year after year, keeps the competition strong

32. gokangaroos Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    Does anyone know when the regional playoff sites will be determined and announced? Thanks in advance.

33. Ralph Turner Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Roos, congratulations on your winning the SCAC!

    I think that the West Regional is depending on how many teams there are from Texas.

    As a McMurry alum, I think that you need to root for McMurry to beat TLU twice tomorrow, so we can make a case for McMurry to host the Regionals.

    I know that Coach Driggers has filed the paperwork. McMurry, Austin College and a Pool C bid, either TLU or UT-D would be good reason to fly the west coast teams to Abilene!

34. baseballcrazy Says:
    May 6th, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    you gotta love john hopkins winning and tcnj-kean njac final

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